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God deserves to burn in hell

   Posted on July 19, 2013 by in shade

   There is no god. But let's think for a second about a scenario where
   there would have been an architect of the universe of some sorts,
   whether a magical god of any type, or simply a higher form of physical
   intelligence. Thus, for the sake of the argument in this post, let's
   presume some form of a higher power exists. Would it be warranted to
   try to please and praise and listen to such a being? The short answer
   is no way. The longer argument is as follows:

   Any maker of our universe could either completely not give a damn about
   it, in which case it is fully irrelevant, or have some vested interest
   in stuff that's going on inside it. According to many people, the
   `interested' higher power is exactly what there is. And insofar as it
   is interested (although it's a bit difficult to conceive of the highest
   form of intelligence in the universe that would give a damn about what
   some amoebae that we are compared to it may be doing or saying...),
   people go out of their ways to try to second-guess what may please such
   a being and tickle its vanity...  Why all this is absurd in and of
   itself is covered in my other post "Nothing Personal", so let's move on
   to the current subject at hand, which is the following: even IF there
   had been a higher power, it is unworthy of regard, let alone obedience
   and praise.

   ANY `interested' or capable of empathy higher power (magic or not) who
   would have made such a universe as ours is a psychopathic sadist. That
   is ANY architect of the cosmos, even if it's aliens. Most
   people's version of a god is claimed to be `loving' or `caring'. Any of
   their gods `loves' everyone SO friggin' much that it couldn't conceive
   of creating any other type of universe for its `dearly beloved' than
   the most inhospitable, cruel and difficult one to exist in. As a
   special token of boundless adoration, it made sure that the vast
   majority of life forms, including sentient apes called `humans', who'd
   ever exist and would be self-aware enough to experience suffering
   definitively WOULD suffer. Most of them for absolutely no wrongdoings
   of their own and in manners that would serve absolutely zero purpose.
   For example, there are babies who are born with a genetic disorder that
   causes the butterfly wings syndrome: they lack proteins that bind
   different layers of skin. As a result, any touch to them causes
   blisters and bleeding - even ingesting food is torture. They suffer
   excruciating pain every minute of their lives and die quickly. Examples
   like this one are countless.

   The usual lame excuses given for such suffering on behalf of the
   innocents is that these are either older souls who have already
   collected some sins upon them, or martyr souls sent down to teach a
   lesson of compassion to others, or blessed souls who through a brief
   period of suffering in this realm quickly earn a pass to an eternal
   bliss in a heaven. If you, the reader, think either of the three is a
   legit excuse - congratulations. You're a monster. For the actual moral
   beings out there, none of the three scenarios add up. At the end of
   this piece there is a series of questions that any believer should
   carefully consider. There is no scenario to make any architect of this
   universe in the state that it is be good. None. Zero.

   In addition, in many versions of an architect of the universe there
   exists some sort of a cozy retreat that is also designed by such an
   architect called `hell'. People suffer there eternally as a
   `punishment' for limited in time and scope (and mostly profoundly
   mundane) `transgressions'. It's a bit difficult to conceive of such a
   collection of wrongdoings, no matter how violent and cruel and
   numerous, that would warrant any form of an eternal retribution... In
   fact, it is impossible - that is, if you are a sane, moral human being.
   But I digress...

   So here's that higher power who decided upon creating that model of the
   universe where such stuff happens routinely... It's created the
   universe, and now is watching all the horrible things happen and (if
   you believe in that) poor punished ones writhe in eternal agony in
   hell, maybe even feeling sad about it but doing fuck all to change the
   situation. In psychology it's classified as sadism and psychopathy. In
   the framework of any type of a belief, it is classified as
   `benevolence' and `working in mysterious ways' and `non-interference
   with `free will'...

   Neither of those excuses is anything but a lame attempt to somehow
   justify and absolve of fault of the greatest asshole imaginable. Let's
   see about benevolence: I, a `lower' life form, am far better than any
   god can dream of being. Because in 10 minutes time I can brainstorm a
   far better, fairer universe than it came up with. In the words of a
   wise man, "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not
   omnipotent. Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. Is he
   both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is he neither able nor
   willing? Then why call him God?" -Epicurus. There truly is no squaring
   that circle, no matter how hard one tries. If even I can think of a
   universe that, let's grant even, WOULD include some degree of hardship
   and suffering and death, but won't include abundance of all of the
   above that serves no imaginable purposes of any sorts (like the
   mentioned butterfly wings syndrome) - why didn't the all-powerful
   architect of the universe manage to create a better model?

   The `mysterious ways' argument is very well addressed by Jim Jefferies
   and needs no further mention on my behalf:


   As to the (non-existent) `free will' thing... It doesn't cut it. Here
   is why: take person A being the perpetrator of a violent crime and
   person B being that crime's victim. Person's a `free will' is to
   execute that violent crime on person B. However, what the `free will'
   proponents forget about roughly 100% of the time is the person B and
   their free will. Incidentally, person B's free will is NOT to be a
   victim of a violent crime. Now what? Now it's a standstill between two
   free wills that happen to be for opposing events. How does the
   all-powerful entity most often resolve that issue? By rooting for
   person A's free will - because violent crimes on fully innocent victims
   happens ALL THE FUCKING TIME. Some may wish to begin arguing that no
   one is without a `sin', of some sorts. Even if - what about violent
   crimes against little babies and kids? Oh, go ahead, push it: the
   `original sin' that every newborn is already born with. Let's take a
   baby/child that hasn't been `absolved' from that `sin' through baptism
   or what not: the MAJORITY of human babies will never be dipped into
   water to `cleanse' them off that - that's a pretty bad model in and of
   itself. But even if one assumes the equal  `guilty cuz of Adam and Eve'
   standing: that means all unbaptized humans start off at an equal
   ground: Person A's standing sin-wise is no better or worse than baby
   B's standing, if they're both unbaptized, right? Right. Then it's
   irrelevant. It's a moot point and we're back to trying to square
   person's A `free will' desire to commit the violent crime against the
   baby B, and baby B's `free will' to stay safe from it... It just simply
   doesn't add up. What if person A is baptized and baby B isn't? Well I'm
   sorry but if pouring a little water onto someone gives them a license
   to then abuse others then any belief system supporting such idea is
   asinine. Frankly, as ANY belief system is.

   So there's that interested higher intelligence, who not only couldn't
   do any better than create a rather fucked up universe like ours with
   rather fucked up things happening in it routinely to completely
   innocent victims, but for the entire duration of existence of this
   universe watches it all unfold... Here's a generic example. Take a
   little kid getting raped. The claimed god/higher power stands by
   watching a little innocent kid get raped (probably jacks off to that,
   too) and only THEN (in some versions of god-related beliefs)  reminds
   there MAY be punishment (in other versions you get reborn as a
   cockroach or something else happens, but the main point is, retribution
   is for the done deed and it's delayed in time). In many cases there
   doesn't even have to be a punishment - the rapist only needs to repent
   or pray or follow through with some silly ritual and boom - full
   forgiveness and heaven. Unlike such a joke of a deity, I, were I in
   that position and power, would never ALLOW for something so sick,
   twisted, pointless and harmful as child rape to ever happen in the
   first place. But a higher power does. All the time...

   All this is exactly the reason why it confuses me that some people
   insist on singing praise to a dick infinitely worse than all violent
   criminals and wrongdoers of all sorts in the whole history - combined.
   In fact, no matter how one tries to twist and tango out of the fact,
   the creator of the universe is, ultimately, by selecting the grounds
   and framework of that universe, fully responsible for every single
   death, misfortune, occasion of pain, grief, sorrow, for every crime and
   every other reprehensible act and occasion in the universe. Because the
   architect could create any different model of the universe - but chose
   to create such that contains all that bullshit. Praise and obedience is
   the last combo such an architect would deserve - it instead would
   deserve a strong kick in the nuts and a spit in the face - at best.

   According to many, such an architect is eternal... An eternal power
   responsible for an eternal array of pain, crime and woe of all kinds...
   This sounds to me that, if there was an eternal hell, such an architect
   would, in fact, be the only creature fully deserving of an eternal
   vacation in that hell for all it's done.

   To the apologists out there STILL not getting the point, here is a
   series of questions to keep asking yourselves until you do.

   1. Who created everything? (according to your faith, it's most likely
   the god. Right? Right. Moving on).

   2. Just to make absolutely sure: was there anything or anyone or any
   force that, according to your faith existed BEFORE your god?
   (presumably, the answer is `nope!').

   3. Is your god according to your faith ALL KNOWING and ALL POWERFUL?
   (Surely the answer must be `yes', or it isn't a god we're talking about
   - just some lower-range supernatural being at best.)

   4. Given premise 3, COULD god have created ANY type of a universe it
   would want to create? Could it tweak laws of physics so that humans
   could fly or would have 5 legs or be entirely transparent or just
   WHATEVER THE FUCK IT WANTED? ANY arrangement of rules and conditions at
   all? And this, my darlings, is the KEY question. If the answer is `no',
   then something that restricts a god's power exists. Then it's no longer
   a god. It's a magic being of a lower order. For most faiths though the
   answer is `OF COURSE IT COULD DO ANYTHING!' In case of that answer,

   5. Keeping in mind the `yes' answer to question 4, just to make sure:
   did the god then CHOOSE to create the universe in its current shape and
   form with the rules that exist in it for all creatures in it? You have
   to answer `yes' to this if you answered `yes' to number 4.

   6. This isn't a question any more. This is a logical conclusion to your
   answers. And it is the following: your god CONSCIOUSLY, DELIBERATELY
   CHOSE to create a universe the way it is, with rules as they are. It
   CHOSE to crate a universe where pointless suffering was abundant, life
   short and difficult, resources scarce and where babies get raped or
   have butterfly wing syndrome or worms eating their brains. It CHOSE TO
   create a universe where evil is conceptually possible. It CHOSE to
   create a universe with impossible to follow rules to bail one out of an
   ETERNAL retribution for a FINITE number of `transgressions'. It CHOSE

   7. Main question: WHY? WHY did an all-knowing, all-powerful entity
   CHOOSE to make this universe the way it is and not any better? Answer

   If you answer starting with `because humans disobeyed...', or `because
   the devil/forces of evil...' or `because free will...', or ANYTHING
   that starts with ANY OPTION EXCEPT FOR `BECAUSE GOD...', then go back
   to answering every question again starting with question 2. Think about
   it. Explain how in your understanding a yet NON-EXISTENT
   creature/concept could influence the INITIAL MODEL of the universe
   created by a god who was alone out there before.

   It couldn't. Or you strip god from its being all-powerful and thus
   being a god at all.

   When you have worked your way through all the other options and
   finally arrive to `because god...' ones (this INCLUDES your favorite
   pull-out-of-the-ass-when-left-with-nothing-else-to-say "because god
   works in mysterious ways" aka "humans can't understand the mind of
   god", by the way), work through them by answering every question above
   again starting with question number 3.

   If you're an honest human being with half a brain, you can ultimately
   arrive to one of the ONLY three possible conclusions:

   A. God exists and is the cruelest motherfucker in the universe.

   B. God exists and doesn't give a single fuck about this universe.

   C. There's no god. Definitely no god worthy of listening to and/or

   If you're still coming up with excuses, you haven't thought too hard
   about the questions. Go back and do it. Spend years on it if needed.

   If, on the other hand, you think you can convince me that I'm wrong
   about the only 3 available options, please be my guest. My only two
   requirements for you if you want to argue for an existence of a god,
   who 1) exists and 2) is GOOD are very simple:

   1. You lose you argument the moment you reference ANY `holy' text/s.

   2. You lose you argument the moment you use a logical fallacy instead
   of an actual point. (Here, I'll make it easier for you: list of traps
   to avoid can be found here. Extra bonus points if you can identify the
   type of a logical fallacy that condition 1 preempts ;))

   Good luck. Something tells me the universe will arrive to its death
   before an answer differing from the proposed 3 options will emerge.

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    3. Lipstick Lesbian says:
       February 4, 2014 at 22:56
       I totally agree with you. Basically we are forced to come to this
       sick and sadistic world against our own will by some so called sick
       sadistic God. It is not like it gave us the choice of being we
       wanted to be or come here to earth for that matter. If this God and
       Jesus does exist they are the ones who deserve to burn in a lake of
       fire for all eternity in utter indescribable torture. Christians
       may then say well Jesus died on the cross for our sins. Well Jesus
       being tormented for all eternity is he. Jesus so called sacrifice
       was insignificant compared to what a lot of people and children
       have endured. I had a mental breakdown over this shit when I was
       14. Death would have been preferable than have to go through that
       again. I have heard preachers say they would rather burn in hell
       for eternity instead of it be their loved ones. Then how is Gods
       love greater than these preachers. Why wouldn't God do this for us
       when he put us here knowing well in advance of what would happen. I
       could never worship such a sick, twisted, and sadistic being.
          + Josephine says:
            February 14, 2014 at 06:23
            As a Christian, i find most of these very insulting, but
            interesting, may i ask why do you feel this way? i believe
            that yes, horrible things happen, but most are causes of our
            own free will. and for cases like illnesses that people cannot
            prevent, yes they are bad, and yes, they are in God's
            permissive will, but they are not caused by God, but by Satan,
            for God is only good and can't do bad or even think bad
            thoughts. Lipstick Lesbian, as a 14 year old myself i cant
            empathize with your sorrow, and i have preferred death many
            times, but it was God who helped me through, when i felt
            alone, he was there, i only wish that you had the same
            experience. and if you think about it this is what Jesus went
            through: brutally whipped with a whip equipped with spokes,
            his back was described to look like a lb of uncooked ground
            beef (google image search), then he had to walk while dragging
            a huge cross on his raw back to his death. then he had nails
            dug into his wrist and feet and then hung, and then after
            hours of torment, after having to drink his own blood and a
            spear shoved up through his thigh. Jesus died. this was done
            by the people he tried to save. i think Having to wait 33
            years, knowing that you would die a brutal death seems to be
            worst than being a teenage girl. plus, jesus went through
            adolescence. the bible says that there is nothing new under
            the sun, everything that we went through, there are so many
            others who did the same and survived.
               o in shade says:
                 March 17, 2014 at 03:12
                 As a human being, I find your desire to justify the
                 potential god's conduct morally repulsive.
                 Is god the most powerful fellow in your imaginary
                 universe, or is it NOT? Because if god is all powerful,
                 then "Satan" should not exist in the first place. Unless,
                 of course, the god is a sadistic meta-asshole of the most
                 epic proportions. Or doesn't give a flying fuck about
                 anything in the universe. Or, a more likely scenario,
                 doesn't exist.
                 There is NO (read carefully: N.O.N.E.) excuse for evil in
                 the world that a god isn't 100% responsible for. NONE. By
                 the virtue of having created the universe the way it is
                 and, thus, all the evil in it that follows or ever did
                 ALONE god is the ultimate fucking asshole.
                 People who worship such an asshole (however imaginary)
                 and make up excuses of all sorts are liars (because you
                 lie about your god's qualities ALL the time. That's the
                 down side of having a favorite character from a book to
                 follow that a load of illiterate desert dwellers
                 fan-fiction wrote over centuries, based on fairy tales
                 that concerned themselves VERY little with truth or
                 consistency...), hypocrites (because as long as you
                 insist that god designed the universe, you can't blame
                 evil on ANYONE ELSE. And you do. You can't. Just CAN'T)
                 and morally bankrupt human beings (for no normal human
                 being with actual morality intact would defend the utmost
                 force of evil in the universe with such fierce
                 Josephine, please digest the following little fact: the
                 moment you lay a claim that the universe (and everything
                 in it) was designed and created by a god, this INCLUDES
                 ALL EVIL in it. Period.
                 This is plain as day without even going into "free will"
                 debate (which is, again, entire fucking nonsense and a
                 lie - the omniscience of a god makes it impossible to
                 have as much as a notion of a free will. No, there are no
                 sneaky semantic ways of wiggling yourself out of this one
                 either - god either knows everything, then NO FREE WILL
                 can exist by definition, or god doesn't know anything
                 much about some space monkeys on a rock - and then why
                 call that creature god at all).
                    # Josephine says:
                      December 16, 2015 at 05:30
                      dissecting/discussing a few of your words
                      "Is god the most powerful fellow in your imaginary
                      universe, or is it NOT? Because if god is all
                      powerful, then "Satan" should not exist in the first
                      place. Unless, of course, the god is a sadistic
                      meta-asshole of the most epic proportions."
                      -I am actually not sure what you mean by this. for
                      clarification, Satan was one of God's angels who
                      decided he wanted to be as powerful as God and
                      started an uprising. Because God is "the most
                      powerful fellow" he easily squashed this revolution
                      and banished Satan and his demons to earth (which is
                      now why we see his terribleness in things like this
                      post and ISIL.)
                      "the moment you lay a claim that the universe (and
                      everything in it) was designed and created by a god,
                      this INCLUDES ALL EVIL in it. Period."
                      1) we all have free will (if we didn't you'd be
                      forcibly a christian (all of us would) and there'd
                      be no evil in the world because God would have us
                      not be)
                      2) because God made us (humans) on this earth (the
                      same Satan was banished to and given dominion over)
                      we easily flock towards the attractive and easy life
                      of Sin.
                      "People who worship such an asshole (however
                      imaginary) and make up excuses of all sorts are
                      liars (because you lie about your god's qualities
                      ALL the time. That's the downside of having a
                      favorite character from a book to follow that a load
                      of illiterate desert dwellers fan-fiction wrote over
                      centuries, based on fairy tales that concerned
                      themselves VERY little with truth or
                      consistency...), hypocrites"
                      -to me, the meaning of this excerpt is slightly
                      dubious but I think you are saying that God's
                      qualities are inconsistent and made up. Which ones
                      are you referring to? a few of God's qualities that
                      i can think of are: love, peaceful, omnipotent,
                      faithful (to us) and also jealous and just. I think
                      that because God is both Jealous and Just which
                      shows that he is not afraid to punish us, make it
                      seem like he is a hypocrite. my only response is
                      that God is God, we are his children and human, we
                      don't have the same rules, responsibilities, and
                      knowledge as God has, the desire for this is what
                      created Lucifer to begin with...
                         @ in shade says:
                           August 26, 2016 at 21:29
                           1. Irrelevant. Who Satan was and what the
                           background is. Because god as the omniscient
                           creator of the universe knew exactly that all
                           of this would happen and STILL decided to go
                           ahead make the whole thing that way, instead of
                           tweaking it for something better.
                           Oh and petty desires by some 2nd degree angel
                           should not concern an omnipotent being at ALL.
                           He should watch it like an adult watching a
                           three year old trying to push a heavy tuck and
                           laugh. The psyched out reaction by god was
                           either a sign of him not knowing it would
                           happen (he is then therefore not omniscient),
                           or sign of insecurity in his position, and he
                           is then thus NOT omnipotent.
                           Laslty, god had countless choices on how to
                           deal with Satan and evil. He chose the most
                           fucked up one. If I were god, I'd finger-snap
                           Satan out of existence as a faulty specimen and
                           avoid all the bullshit that followed by
                           allowing the guy to freely roam around ever
                           Oh and before I forget: read your favorite
                           fable and see how many people Satan murders vs
                           God. If I recall correctly, the score is 3
                           (upon command by god, by the way) kills for
                           Satan and the whole fucking humanity and animal
                           and plant kingdom for god and that was just ONE
                           of his bad days... Meh...
                           2. No. There is EITHER free will, OR an
                           omniscient god. The two notions are mutually
                           exclusive, so pick one. In a universe that is
                           given a green light to go ahead and happen the
                           way it happens when someone has full knowledge
                           of how it will all happen, full power to
                           change/tweak things and who never does, there
                           is no free will. There is a god watching Saw 3
                           as a rerun and enjoying the spectacle of
                           entirely predictable and fully pointless human
                           Also, why the fuck is Christianity THE answer?
                           Why not any of the thousands other religions?
                           Finally, if someone comes up to you with a
                           torch and says `love me or I will burn your
                           flesh off' - a) are you actually physically
                           capable of summoning real emotion of love
                           towards that person on cue? and b) would that
                           situation imply you were truly FREE to decide
                           whether or not to love that person?
                           The saddest part is, you fucking KNOW it's
                           twisted as hell. You KNOW your god is
                           BLACKMAILING people into loving it (why? What
                           can god possibly need admiration of
                           semi-advanced apes FOR? His mega fragile ego?
                           Wtf is WRONG with him?) by "or burn in hell
                           forever". And until the idea of a hell is
                           entirely erased from your religion, there can
                           equally be zero talk about free will. That's a
                           double layer of "most fucking definitely NO
                           free will": omniscience and omnipotence paired
                           with allowing the world to turn out as it is,
                           and the idea in and of itself of a hell as
                           `punishment' for not loving a celestial
                           psychopathic megalomaniac.
                           It's irrelevant where we flock and how easy it
                           is. The rules of this rigged game were set up
                           by god and every action and decision known by
                           him ahead of time. According to your faith. God
                           is that girl from Saw 3. Or...
                           Or god is NOT omniscient. Or maybe he's
                           omniscient but NOT omnipotent? Because if he's
                           both, there absolutely is NO way out of him
                           knowingly setting this trap of a life the way
                           it is and rigging the system to make sure he
                           can watch the majority of humans who ever lived
                           and would live be forever tortured in a hell he
                           equally didn't need to crate if he didn't want
                           to but he chose to create nevertheless... Mind
                           you, NOT for punishment. Punishment, however
                           cruel, is finite by nature. Hell is eternal.
                           It's NOT punishment. It's sick entertainment
                           for a sociopathic sadist because by even the
                           cruelest standard of REVENGE (not even
                           punishment), there would in a few million years
                           arrive a time point at which the suffering
                           would absolve the `sins' of even the greatest
                           mass murderers in history (of which the top
                           position by the way belongs to your god), and
                           after that point it's mindless, pointless
                           torture for the sake of torture itself.
                           3. Ehm... so now it's the humans who created
                           Lucifer by their `bad qualities?' That's how
                           you just made it sound.
                           No. According to you, GOD CREATED EVERYTHING.
                           And unless you bury yourself in special
                           pleadings, there is no way out of that trap.
                           God created evil, god is DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE
                           for every single act of evil on this planet,
                           for every single `soul' burning in hell.
                           Everything terrible is first and foremost GOD'S
                           That you make up excuses for your god is
                           fucking SICK. How do you judge that `god is
                           good'? By what standard? By something you read
                           in a stupid old book that told you "I am god
                           and I'm good no matter what the fuck I do"?
                           Well then you're a sociopath with no morality
                           whatsoever. By this logic anyone in a position
                           of power is RIGT and JUSTIFIED no matter what
                           they do simply by the virtue of them being
                           POWERFUL. If that's how you live your life, I
                           hope our paths don't cross because I've no idea
                           how to deal with sociopaths and psychopaths and
                           I'm afraid of you.
                           Trouble is, that's fucking bullshit altogether.
                           The same goddamn way Christians decided based
                           on THEIR HUMAN PERSONAL MORAL COMPASS which
                           actually evolved (thankfully) over the past few
                           hundreds of years, to ignore sage and sound
                           advice on stoning children, cutting hands,
                           killing non-believers' babies and raping their
                           virgins, as well as on not eating shellfish or
                           wearing clothes of mixed fabric. Because the
                           advice in their book IS IMMORAL. Most of it.
                           And god's behavior of a sadistic megalomaniac
                           psychopath with short temper IS IMMORAL. And no
                           it's not excused by his power - one would THINK
                           and all powerful, all knowing entity would
                           behave better by at least a tiny margin than a
                           fussy spoiled 5 year old brat at a candy store.
                           If you excuse your god's behavior by special
                           pleading (i.e. "Because it's god so it's
                           special so there!") - HOW do you make that
                           judgment? And why do you hold a GOD to a lower
                           standard than a child with severe attitude
                           issues who barbeques kittens in the basement
                           for fun? What's your logic? "My book said so"?
                           That's shitty logic. My book said I can learn
                           witchcraft, YOUR book says, by the way, that
                           witches and dragons are real and the former
                           must be killed. But I digress. Or is your logic
                           "power excuses EVERYTHING"? Cuz that's equally
                           shitty logic. You're not moral if you only do
                           what a powerful figure tells you to - you're
                           cowardly and obedient and a puppet in their
                           hands (oh and you have zero free will cuz
                           you're playing eternal Simon Says...).
                           When you read a text and decide to throw pieces
                           on slavery out of your consciousness - they are
                           STILL IN THE BOOK. And you are NOT using god's
                           standard of morality OR his teachings to do so.
                           You are using YOUR OWN advanced moral compass,
                           as you should, that matured beyond 0th century
                           warmongering ignorance. You go against god
                           EVERY SINGLE DAY OF YOUR LIFE by wearing mixed
                           fabric clothes and not killing your kids for
                           not blindly obeying you. You CHERRY PICK your
                           bible for what you like and can get away with
                           and leave out the sick and twisted shit that in
                           our society would earn you a life prison
                           sentence. But you still bend over backwards to
                           reserve a special place for excusing satanic
                           behavior on behalf of god because it simply
                           holds an authority position? Seriously? Please
                           tell me where you live so I'd avoid going
                              - Paul says:
                                November 12, 2019 at 21:42
                                I enjoy your anger and yet I am not sorry
                                for you over your horrible life.
    4. gardeniabee (@gardeniabee) says:
       February 12, 2014 at 03:14
       I have often wondered about the inanity, pain, suffering; then I
       read about people, sages, saints, all mystics, whose experience
       transforms their understanding and comprehension totally. That
       leads me to consider there is something beyond my senses, but still
       within the realm of human experience, that exists and can be known
       within our own being.
          + in shade says:
            March 17, 2014 at 03:13
            Yeah it's called "the brain". Heard of it? Has a peculiar
            ability to, you know, have random ideas and stuff... And to be
            self-aware... And to make up magic people in the sky when
            faced with gaps in understanding...
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    6. Richard says:
       February 12, 2014 at 22:32
       Don't worry. All that shit is based upon the North Americans
       Christian view of things, which we all know is pretty fucked up.
       It's also funny that there is this desperate need to have a `white
       knight' save humans from the shit humans do to each other. Humans
       create hell right here on earth now, why wait for the `afterlife'
       to experience torment and frustration? Always looking outside to
       find what's wrong, point the finger and declare that `I won't
       change until you do'. Ever notice that in all recorded human
       history that humans have NEVER lived in harmony for an extended
       period EVER? And just about all of them were looking toward several
       (today - mostly one, that's modernization for ya) God's to save
       their asses too? Perhaps it's time to quit looking outside to find
       humanities salvation from someone or something else - history shows
       it's JUST NOT THERE.
          + in shade says:
            March 17, 2014 at 03:17
            Well said.
            It's a perfectly evolutionary set of traits that makes us so
            susceptible of seeing/inferring agency and intent in all
            random events that mean something to us. One would have hoped,
            however, that by now as humanity we would have all learned
            about our brains' shortcomings and would be cautious about
            them. But nooooo, keep making up imaginary sky friends to
            blame everything on so that your monkey ass feels falsely
            comforted by an imaginary sense of order in this very, VERY
            random universe of ours... Then spend your life trying to
            second-guess which hand does that imaginary sky being wants
            you to wipe your ass with and how many times. Instead of, you
            know, living a LIFE of ACTUAL meaning and consequence...
            Sad, sad world...
          + Josephine says:
            December 16, 2015 at 05:35
            History shows that Like the bible says, men are fallible, we
            make mistakes, we sin (commit horrible crimes) yet amongst it
            all we are still here. Good still happens in the world. If you
            read / hear one thing from my comment please hear that no
            matter how bad it feels out there (in the world), there is
            always good. that is not just a Christian speaking but someone
            who likes happiness in the world. Also, Christianity started
            almost 2016 years ago (the date is a handy way to remember
            that) and even before that because it stemmed from Judaism
            which has many of the same values originally, so, since the
            beginning of humans on this earth essentially, "North
            [American Christianity]" has been here. (Much longer than
            North America has been a nameable place"
               o in shade says:
                 August 26, 2016 at 16:04
                 1. Good happens in the world because we're a species that
                 live in a social setting and best propagate or genes by
                 collective efforts. Therefore, we're inherently leaning
                 towards altruistic/compassionate behaviors.
                 If we lived entirely or predominantly on our own, we
                 would only feel fealty to our direct offspring and
                 viciously rival any outsiders. If a lion takes over a
                 pride, he kills all the lion cubs that aren't his own.
                 Weirdly, that's the exact tribalism bible is condoning.
                 Love thy neighbor literally applies to one's own tribe
                 only. If a village next door isn't part of the same
                 ideology, however, then kill every male including babies
                 and animals and every female who fucked before. Keep the
                 rest of females as sex slaves. Yay bible...
                 2. I love this world - to a degree. It has a lot of
                 amazing things in it. Sadly, the world is also pretty
                 fucked up for the vast majority of humans. I lucked out.
                 I was born in the right hemisphere to prosperous family.
                 5 billion other people aren't sure whether they'd get
                 their next meal tomorrow. Closing my eyes to the fact
                 that, actually, the majority of everything in the world
                 is fucked up, won't magically make it better. If there is
                 a god around, it created a shitty universe with shitty
                 resource distribution and shitty rules and shitty
                 suffering for no reason whatsoever. As a cosmic accident,
                 we're doing okay-ish though if we don't solve
                 resources/energy and climate change like yesterday we're
                 fucked anyway. Good try though for stardust. With god in
                 the picture it only makes everything worse.
                 3. Hominids have been on this planet at the very least
                 for 60000 years, not 2000. For the vast majority of that
                 time they had other beliefs, usually in nature deities
                 like rain gods etc. Popularity or longevity of beliefs
                 have zero bearing on their accuracy. ZERO. None.
                    # Josephine says:
                      August 26, 2016 at 18:45
                      I'm sorry, I'm just a bit confused here. You said
                      that love thy neighbor only applies to on tribe and
                      I was just wondering where in the bible it says
                      that?. Here's a hint: It doesn't. God says multiple
                      times that he loves everyone equally no matter what.
                      It's Christians (you know, the fallible men I talked
                      about earlier) who really took it the wrong way and
                      started hating on the others. Since this post is
                      about God and not Christians, I think it's important
                      to point out the difference. Plus love thy neighbor
                      was just God's relatable way of saying love
                      everyone. Obviously some people don't understand
                      exactly what he meant. It's like Ghandi said:
                      Christianity? I like their Christ, it's the
                      Christians I have the problem with.
                         @ in shade says:
                           August 26, 2016 at 21:44
                           Right where it says you should kill all
                           non-believers including their kids and animals
                           and take their virgin women as slaves. Should I
                           look up the verses for you too, or are you
                           capable of google?
                           Then god is a liar. If god loved everyone
                           equally, god would create EXACTLY THE SAME
                           which to live, EXACTLY the same access to
                           EXACTLY the same information, and then also NOT
                           have hell. At all.
                           Instead, god throws rage tantrums and sends
                           plagues and orders infanticide and at one point
                           kills entire earth's biome out of pure rage,
                           plus has chosen people. Do you even read your
                           I don't like Christ. Why is he a special
                           snowflake? He's done a few magic tricks,
                           pussied out on a few hours of unpleasant
                           corporal experience and 3 days of chilling out
                           dead in the cave after which went to happily
                           enjoy heaven forever and he's special? Turned
                           water to wine... IN A DESERT??!!! The dude
                           could've, yaknow, saved MILLIONS of lives by
                           ONE fucking phrase alone: "disease comes with
                           dirt and grime, wash yourselves and your food,
                           cook/boil what you can, don't leave it at room
                           temperature. Oh and blood letting is bullshit."
                           He literally could appear, say that thing
                           alone, and disappear, and he'd be deserving of
                           more credit.
                           A guy with super powers comes over, does a few
                           stupid parlor tricks (he's god. He could teach
                           everyone to read in 1 second and do more good
                           than by sharing a fish with a few
                           thousands...), whines to himself aka his daddy
                           about what he KNOWS will happen to him, goes
                           through unpleasant shit but nothing compared to
                           how some humans suffer and for how long, and is
                           special? Gimme a break.
                    # Paul says:
                      November 12, 2019 at 21:44
                      I'm still enjoying your horrible life and anger. I
                      hope you live every last day in the same way.
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    8. Itsalong says:
       February 13, 2014 at 20:31
       Let's clarify some facts.
       Fact A: There is not one single named person in the entire Bible
       who is said to be headed for eternal hell/burning alive
       forever/eternal annihilation. Zero examples of such a thing in the
       Bible as it pertains to any named person past, present or future.
       Fact B: There is not one single named person in the entire Bible
       who is even threatened with such a fate. Zero examples of such a
       thing in the Bible as it pertains to any named person past, present
       or future.
       Where then do such stories come from? It's a very Divinely CLEVER
       way that the Bible is constructed and is so to show `us' just how
       utterly vile our own hearts are when we would seek to see that upon
       some other person. The facts of the text will show any truthful
       seeker that those who do see the `burning alive forever' scenario
       are really just reflecting their own EVIL HEARTS.
       And if you haven't looked around this earth lately, that fact is
       well and amply demonstrated daily in any case. It's just `worse' in
       religious people and meant to be shown.
       Advice? Avoid hypocritical liars at all costs in any engagements.
       They have issues, inside.
          + in shade says:
            March 17, 2014 at 02:59
            Let's clarify some facts, indeed:
            A. Matthew 5:22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with
            his brother will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who
            says to his brother, `Raca,' is answerable to the Sanhedrin.
            But anyone who says, `You fool!' will be in danger of the fire
            of hell.
            B. Matthew 5:29-30 If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge
            it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one
            part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into
            hell. And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and
            throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your
            body than for your whole body to go into hell.
            C. Matthew 10:28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body
            but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can
            destroy both soul and body in hell.
            D. Matthew 13:38-42 The field is the world, and the good seed
            stands for the sons of the kingdom. The weeds are the sons of
            the evil one, and the enemy who sows them is the devil. The
            harvest is the end of the age, and the harvesters are angels.
            "As the weeds are pulled up and burned in the fire, so it will
            be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send out his
            angels, and they will weed out of his kingdom everything that
            causes sin and all who do evil. They will throw them into the
            fiery furnace, where there will be weeping and gnashing of
            E. Matthew 13:49-50 This is how it will be at the end of the
            age. The angels will come and separate the wicked from the
            righteous and throw them into the fiery furnace, where there
            will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
            F. Matthew 25:46 "Then they will go away to eternal
            punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."
            G. Mark 9:43 If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is
            better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go
            into hell, where the fire never goes out.
            H. Mark 9:45 And if your foot causes you to sin, cut it off.
            It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two
            feet and be thrown into hell.
            I. Mark 9:47 And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out.
            It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye
            than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell.
            J. Luke 12:5 But I will show you whom you should fear: Fear
            him who, after the killing of the body, has power to throw you
            into hell. Yes, I tell you, fear him.
            K. Luke 16:23-24 In hell, where he was in torment, he looked
            up and saw Abraham far away, with Lazarus by his side. So he
            called to him, `Father Abraham, have pity on me and send
            Lazarus to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my
            tongue, because I am in agony in this fire.'
            L. 2nd Thessalonians 1:9 They will be punished with
            everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the
            Lord and from the majesty of his power
            M. James 3:6 The tongue also is a fire, a world of evil among
            the parts of the body. It corrupts the whole person, sets the
            whole course of his life on fire, and is itself set on fire by
            N. 2 Peter 2:4 For if God did not spare angels when they
            sinned, but sent them to hell, putting them into gloomy
            dungeons to be held for judgment;
            O. Revelations 1:18 I am the Living One; I was dead, and
            behold I am alive for ever and ever! And I hold the keys of
            death and Hades.
            P. Revelations 6:8 I looked, and there before me was a pale
            horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following
            close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the
            earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild
            beasts of the earth.
            Q. Revelations 14:10-11 he, too, will drink of the wine of
            God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup
            of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the
            presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of
            their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or
            night for those who worship the beast and his image, or for
            anyone who receives the mark of his name."
            R. Revelations 19:20 But the beast was captured, and with him
            the false prophet who had performed the miraculous signs on
            his behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had
            received the mark of the beast and worshiped his image. The
            two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning
            S. Revelations 20:10 And the devil, who deceived them, was
            thrown into the lake of burning sulfur, where the beast and
            the false prophet had been thrown. They will be tormented day
            and night for ever and ever.
            T. Revelations 20:13-15 The sea gave up the dead that were in
            it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them,
            and each person was judged according to what he
            had done. Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of
            fire. The lake of fire is the second death. If anyone's name
            was not found written in the book of life, he was
            thrown into the lake of fire.
            U. Revelations 21:8 But the cowardly, the unbelieving, the
            vile, the murderers, the sexually immoral, those who practice
            magic arts, the idolaters and all liars-their place will be in
            the fiery lake of burning sulfur. This is the second death."
            That's not quoting all the indirect references to the fiery
            pits throughout the book...
               o Itsalong says:
                 March 17, 2014 at 15:05
                 Obviously you are in the process of deprogramming, seeing
                 your grasp of scripture. Good for you.
                 If you want to understand Biblical texts, understand that
                 they present that `other entities' that are not mankind
                 are overlapped within mankind. Essentially there are 2
                 entirely separate parties between everyone's own two
                 ears. Examples you ask? Mark 4:15, (and all the other
                 seed `parables.') Romans 7:17-21, Romans 9:19-20, Romans
                 11:8, Ephesians 2:2, 2 Cor. 12:7, 2 Tim. 2:20-21, 1 John
                 3:8 and a myriad of other scriptures.
                 Is there then an eternal hell? Yes. For devils, not
                 Separate the 2 parties and things clear up considerably.
                 All have sinned past tense. All have sin, present tense.
                 Sin is of the devil, an entity that is not mankind.
                 Scientology is bowed to by people with money and supposed
                 intelligence and they have a similar premise, that
                 `Thetans' (caused by the evil Xenu) occupy the space
                 between our ears.
                 Call `them' bad thoughts, chemical imbalances, alter
                 egos, survival instinct or what have you. It's a similar
                 principle. The Biblical narrative promotes common
                 psychology disassociation theory. To separate ones self
                 from `bad thoughts' resulting in `bad actions.' And it
                 uses the natural repulsion to slavery principle that we
                 inherently have, that slavery being to the devil.
                 Jesus divided other invisible entities from within
                 mankind on nearly every page of the N.T.
                 It's not just a man alone story. Nor is hell for man.
                 Hell is an anti-heaven for `the negative entities.'
                 Besides, it's a much more interesting read when read with
                 this fact in mind. Makes you question yourself and your
                 reading abilities. Christians themselves are the best
                 evidence of the matters, exposing the most vile evil on
                 the planet from their own mouths, wanting to burn
                 everyone alive who doesn't believe `like them.' There is
                 evil personified, and draped with hypocrisy and lies.
                 They sin, their sin is of the devil, but they double deal
                 the standard, exempting themselves and condemning
                 everyone else. There is hypocrisy exposed and a liar
                 revealed within.
                 In the name of Jesus, of course.
                    # in shade says:
                      March 22, 2014 at 00:43
                      Please at this point read the comment I had written
                      in reply to Josephine, for I find it unnecessary to
                      copy and paste. It's right there at the top.
                         @ Lipstick Lesbian says:
                           March 27, 2014 at 00:37
                           The people of Samaria must bear their guilt
                           because they have rebelled against their God.
                           They will fall by the sword. Their little ones
                           will be dashed to the ground their pregnant
                           women ripped open(Hosea 13:16). Happy is he who
                           takes their infants and dash them against the
                           rocks(Psalm 137:9). I form the light and create
                           darkness. I make peace and create evil. I The
                           Lord do all these things(Isaiah 45:7).
                              - in shade says:
                                April 4, 2014 at 02:32
                                Sure you didn't mean to reply Itsalong
               o Josephine says:
                 December 16, 2015 at 05:40
                 Hey again,
                 Fiery pits in the bible (I AM NO EXPERT THIS IS JUST ME
                 SPEAKING FROM 134 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE) usually appear as
                 allegories for Hell (or in the case of Shadrach, Meshach,
                 and Abednego an actual pit of fire) and while i
                 admittedly did not read all of your excerpts (Citation
                 needed by the way) i did se many that are just metaphors.
                 Many speak of drastic ways (like gouging your eye out) to
                 remove sin, not because God actually wants you to do it,
                 but because it is to show the severity of sin. Also,
                 please do not go about your life only reading things on a
                 surface level (otherwise you'll never understand the real
                 meaning behind Sleepy Hollow)
                    # in shade says:
                      August 26, 2016 at 15:51
                      1. Irrelevant. Eternal pay-back for conduct limited
                      in time is asinine in principle. It wouldn't matter
                      if hell was just a boring room with 4 grey walls
                      you'd stare at forever. Or a chamber full of clowns
                      tickling you to hiccups. The main issue is that
                      heaven/hell are eternal destiny for someone who
                      carried out conduct limited in time.
                      2. Thought crime is severe? Damn, I should be on the
                      death row for how many times I wished to cut people
                      to small pieces with rusty manicure scissors over a
                      long period of time... Opsie...
                      No, even killing has circumstances when the guilt is
                      absolved. Because the world isn't black and white
                      and human brains aren't robotic.
                      In a moment of frustration I can wish to torture
                      someone - in my mind. But if that SAME very moment
                      that person would be in front of me and someone
                      would want to hurt them or they would be hurt - I
                      might STILL be pissed off at them but, unless my
                      life will be in danger, I'd rush over and help.
                      Because imagination is a normal coping mechanism,
                      imagination is a part of normal brain functioning
                      and learning, and thought crimes (i.e. lusting over
                      your neighbor's wife) should NOT have been sins at
                      all. They are works of imagination and they are
                      fucked up at times - how do you think scary stories
                      and thrillers and dramas come along? Fucked up
                      things people think of. Do you honestly equate that
                      with actually going out of the house and torturing
                      someone in real life? I fucking HOPE not. But your
                      bible does...
                      Weirdly, the bible instead failed in mentioning that
                      such TRULY fucked up shit like slavery, child rape,
                      torture, should be sins (to name a few). Instead, it
                      vouched to devote 3 full commandments to blind
                      obedience to authority. Instead it carries advice
                      for how to deal with slaves and discipline them (and
                      your wife... by beating them within an inch of their
                      deaths), instead it suggests torture (stoning of
                      your disobedient children outside city gates,
                      anyone?). Instead, it settles a price for which a
                      rapist can have his victim as a wife - no matter
                      what SHE might think about that...
                      I'm sorry, no amount of creative and metaphorical
                      interpretation can redeem the flaws in the very
                      fabric of that evil, ignorant, cruel, sadistic work
                      of fiction. NONE.
    9. Andy sule says:
       July 25, 2014 at 22:06
       there is sense in this writeup
   10. Anonymous says:
       December 1, 2014 at 01:01
       you have to realize that religion is a thing fabricated by the
       people to convince themselves that there is something better
       waiting for them after death.
          + in shade says:
            January 24, 2015 at 23:51
            Yeah - instead of living a great life here, they HOPE for
            something else afterwards, often ruining the experience of the
            life that is certain for themselves and everyone around them
            and people they don't even know... Pathetic...
               o Josephine says:
                 December 16, 2015 at 05:46
                 think from a Christian's perspective, if you believe
                 wholeheartedly that all of christianity (God, heaven,
                 hell, sin) is real, then wouldn't it be terrible of us to
                 not try to save EVERYONE regardless if we knew them or
                    # in shade says:
                      August 26, 2016 at 15:23
                      That's actually a very good question. The answer to
                      it sort of depends on what flavor of Christian dogma
                      you specifically have picked.
                      There are denominations of Christianity that say
                      those ignorant of the teachings of the faith will
                      not be judged up on their faith. If that's your
                      brand, then you should go out of your way to make
                      sure no one around has a clue you're even a
                      Christian, because while if you `carry the message',
                      you have a certain chance of it being heard by
                      someone who would accept it, and a much higher
                      chance of it falling on deaf ears. That way by
                      spreading the message you're condemning a bunch of
                      people straight to hell, with only a few saves.
                      While ignorant of the teachings will safely be
                      judged upon their conduct as human beings.
                      If you believe that every non-Christian (mind you,
                      of YOUR specific denomination out of thousands )
                      will go to hell no matter what they do in life,
                      while every Christian no matter what they do will
                      end up in heaven for their faith alone - then yes,
                      you are then called to preach and convert left and
                      right. The problem in this view is internal: there
                      is one single criteria for entering heaven - blind
                      faith. A serial killer who believes will be in
                      heaven. A kind, charitable person who either didn't
                      find any evidence for Christian claims or never
                      heard of it - will go to hell. If that is your brand
                      of Christianity, I'd suggest to first ponder over
                      why the system is such that being Hitler earns you
                      heaven (he was a staunch believer in god), while
                      being Bill Gates will propel you to hell (for all
                      the charity work and advancements in technology he
                      was instrumental for). Because in that case the
                      entire justice system breaks down, even Biblical.
                      "Thou shalt not kill" (while, in the book itself,
                      already a rule with more exemptions to it than
                      French Grammar) becomes an entirely moot point. It
                      becomes "Thy can kill to your heart's content, as
                      long as you have FAITH!". But then the biblical
                      ideas of 10 commandments and any (however lame)
                      attempts at any moral guidance (in the bible, sadly,
                      more often IMmoral) become a joke. There are zero
                      rules and restrictions and anything goes because
                      it's not your actions you will be judged upon. It's
                      your faith alone.
                      So you basically would do the world a favor by
                      either making Christianity entirely secret, or by
                      never mentioning to anyone at all that they will
                      ONLY judged by their faith because that's when all
                      hell will break loose right here on earth and you'd
                      be the one responsible for it. Maybe you're okay
                      with that idea, but really, as a decent human being,
                      you shouldn't be. Idea of being judged purely on
                      faith should be appalling to you.
                         @ Josephine Evans says:
                           August 26, 2016 at 19:11
                           You know, as per your serial killer comment,
                           that is actually a long and confusing debate in
                           the whole Christian sphere. You see, I
                           personally don't believe that he'd go to
                           heaven. Yes, the Bible says that all you have
                           to do is believe, but a person who truly and
                           wholeheartedly believes in Jesus really can't
                           kill people because the concept of belief also
                           includes living your life just like him. They
                           might have a very twisted version of Jesus,
                           which would lead them to not go to heaven.
                           There is redemption, of course, but I don't
                           think a serial killer who is a Christian would
                           fly. Also, I don't buy the whole two separate
                           Christian ideology thing. I think many people
                           get it wrong, the bible says that Jesus is the
                           Way, the Truth,and the Light, no one gets to
                           the father except through HIM. So, the whole
                           ignorance thing doesn't fly because the Bible
                           says that everyone in their life will get a
                           chance. (When it comes to Babies--thats another
                           intense debate--I could see them getting some
                           sort of ignorance by faith thing). Lastly, why
                           should being judged purely on faith be
                           appalling to me? God created this universe, He
                           set the rules of the game, He decided that we
                           are judged by our faith in Him. Becuase God
                           decided this, I know that it is possible for
                           everyone, yes, difficult for many, but
                           possible. If you don't like this, find another
                           universe created by another "fairer god" to
                           dwell in or accept the game and stop whining
                           because you can't do what you want without
                           being judged.
                         @ in shade says:
                           August 26, 2016 at 22:56
                           "the concept of belief also includes living
                           your life just like him", so, like... Being an
                           irrational brat? (here's a decent thread with
                           compiled fun things Jesus did:
                           bad-things-jesus-did-t29099.html )
                           I won't want him as my neighbor...
                           Or maybe you meant like a bit more god-like?
                           So, then, like, condemning entire humanity to
                           hell for a catch-22 set-up that TWO people had
                           no choice but fall for? Or, like, murder every
                           person of different faith? Or, ehm, just DROWN
                           THE ENTIRE HUMANITY plus all plants and animals
                           (because FUCK them too!) because fuck them,
                           they're annoying little brats? So, like, Hitler
                           was the closest by his behavior to god-like
                           behavior, in case you forgot. Or actually maybe
                           other dictators with bigger body count...
                           You know what? Remind me also to stay the fuck
                           away from people who want to ACT LIKE GOD DOES.
                           That shit is scary and I don't want to die yet.
                           Besides, I've had premarital sex so yeah...
                           (ducks for cover).
                           "So, the whole ignorance thing doesn't fly
                           because the Bible says that everyone in their
                           life will get a chance"
                           No they won't. Millions of people lived prior
                           to Christianity and had exactly ZERO chance of
                           hearing about Christ (unless you claim they
                           could travel in time or see future...). Can you
                           explain to me what exactly was their chance? Or
                           they were just nice free fodder to eternal
                           fires? Or were they forgiven for their
                           ignorance? Then by what criteria were they
                           judged if not faith? Why the special treatment
                           for them and not anyone living after Christ?
                           Mental gymnastics much?...)
                           Millions of humans today live in societies that
                           are culturally isolated from information about
                           your god. Some live without access to any media
                           (remote Amazonian tribal people, for example,
                           who up until recently had no contact with
                           civilization). What about them - tough luck?
                           Being judged entirely by faith should be
                           appalling to you if you actually have any
                           morality. If you don't - it's all good, carry
                           By the way, doesn't your head explode from
                           cognitive dissonance of saying that
                           a) god judges ONLY by faith, not actions and
                           b) I don't think a serial killer will go to
                           heaven just on faith alone, so... god judges
                           NOT ONLY by faith, but by actions too?
                           You feel BAD about the idea of a serial killer
                           in heaven due to your own human morality, so
                           you do mental gymnastics like " well in true
                           faith he won't kill". That simply isn't true.
                           Bible, god AND Jesus repeatedly call for
                           killing and mass murder. Murder is totally okay
                           in Christianity as long as it's witches,
                           disobedient kids, whoring women and people of
                           another faith and their babies. Jesus came with
                           a sword, to set father against son, and not to
                           overturn OT rules but to strengthen them.
                           Murder is absolutely okay in the bible. So is
                           slavery. So is rape. So is child/human and
                           animal sacrifice btw. READ YOUR WHOLE DAMN BOOK
                           AND NOT JUST THE 5 HEARTWARMING VERSES THAT
                           MAKE YOU FEEL WARM AND FUZZY INSIDE. Read it a
                           to z. At least once. Carefully with your brain
                           in ON mode.
                           I'll keep whining about the idea of a universe
                           where a kind, helpful, charitable person who
                           exercises their analytical abilities as
                           intended arrives at a conclusion that believing
                           old mythology on the basis of AN ANCIENT FAIRY
                           TALE BOOK ALONE AND ZERO OTHER EVIDENCE is a
                           stretch would go to hell, while a serial killer
                           with deep blind devoted faith and lots of
                           repent for the sins will go to heaven. It's not
                           even about it being fair - there is equally
                           nothing fair in eternal reward as there is
                           nothing fair in eternal punishment. It's a bit
                           more about the fact that this set up sounds
                           like someone from a mental hospital thought it
                           up. Or, yaknow, the people traveled in time and
                           read Saw 3 script and thought "woohoo, that
                           shit's GORY af! Let's totally write THAT up
                           but, yaknow, a version full of time-appropriate
                           ignorance and local folklore!"
               o Paul says:
                 November 12, 2019 at 21:47
                 I'm loving your pathetic life.
   11. Anonymous says:
       August 11, 2015 at 18:20
       Not to mention that god deserves hell MUCH MORE than we do because
       the bible shows god predestined the fall of man, has an elect, and
       predestined people to hell. It's his fault everything bad happens
       and that some people are born evil. Also he laughs at people's
       calamity and loves the elect but I don't think he loves the
       non-elect, otherwise he wouldn't reprobate the non-elect for
          + Josephine says:
            December 16, 2015 at 05:44
            lets remember the difference between predestined and
            omnipotent (ik, they are completely different let me explain)
            God knows us so well, he knows every choice each of us will
            make. That is much different then never giving us the choice
            at all or forcing us to chose one. Comprenez-vous?
               o in shade says:
                 August 26, 2016 at 15:32
                 You don't understand, do you? Omniscience and free will
                 are mutually exclusive in the very principle.
                 If god knows everything, then god knows every choice we
                 WILL make, every thought we WILL have, our whole life. If
                 a human can go ahead `make a different choice', this
                 creates a problem for omniscience claim. If god wouldn't
                 KNOW about that different choice, then there is no
                 omniscience. If god knows ahead of time about a new
                 choice, then yes, god is omniscient. But humans aren't
                 tweaked by god before they're born to make the `right'
                 choices. He creates, DELIBERATELY a vast majority of
                 people through history who will make all the wrong
                 choices, he KNOWS they will, he knows the choices that
                 will be made, and he presets the consequences for those
                 choices. So he basically is playing a sick game like in
                 Saw 3 (if I remember the number of sequel correctly)
                 where the traps that girl was making had seeming `escape
                 routes' through misery and pain but in reality there was
                 no way out, just plain cruel pointless suffering and then
                 a very gruesome painful death that she gleefully watched
                 on camera. That girl - that's an omniscient god.
                    # Josephine Evans says:
                      August 26, 2016 at 19:00
                      Ok, let's try this in a different way: I understand
                      what you're saying. But i think without reading a
                      bit of the Bible or trying to understand God, you
                      might have a difficult time. In our lives, we all
                      have choices, every day, every minute. But God, who
                      is omniscient, knows us so well that he knows
                      exactly what we'll do just because you're best
                      friend knows that when you go into an ice cream shop
                      you'll immediately run for the pistachio, no matter
                      how many other flavors there are, that doesn't mean
                      you don't have a choice, it just means that we as
                      humans, to God are predictable per say. And the one
                      day that you decide to eat plain vanilla, God knows
                      what day that'll be. It's like he can travel far
                      ahead in time and see where we'll be. Marty McFly
                      knew Biff would grow up to be an asshole, that
                      didn't mean that he had to be. Capisce?
                         @ in shade says:
                           August 26, 2016 at 22:25
                           I wish you understood yourself what you just
                           wrote... Your circular self-contradictory
                           arguments are astounding really.
                           Example: god knows a dirty old rag will rape a
                           little boy one evening. The boy's free will in
                           that scenario (my best bet is on the free will
                           and choice to NOT SUFFER RAPE and its
                           consequences, but fuck if I know - maybe that 5
                           year old monster deserved it, right?), is
                           shoven into his little ass by the free willy of
                           the old pervert fucking him and the full
                           knowledge of god being there and watching it
                           all happen. The rapist's
                           free will to rape, the murderer's free will to
                           kill, the crazy person's free will to torture
                           other humans or animals ALWAYS trump `free
                           will' of the victims to stay safe from harm.
                           That's a fucked up position on free will for
                           the god to adapt as a default setting for the
                           universe and NO, PUNISHMENT AFTER doesn't UNDO
                           THE DAMAGE.
                           If YOU walked into a room where an old man is
                           raping a little baby, you'd stop him. I'd hope.
                           Would you?
                           I presume you'd say yes.
                           The problem is, now you're interfering with the
                           rapist's free will to rape, you terrible
                           person. You LITERALLY CAN NEVER ACT if you
                           assume `free will' of equal bearing on
                           everyone's behalf. Oh and god's plan too. You
                           can't plan, can't interfere with anything,
                           can't ever complain about anything at all,
                           can't cure diseases, can't grow more food,
                           can't feed the hungry... your job as a human
                           being is to stay out of the way of everyone and
                           preserve status quo and never, EVER interfere
                           in god's plan and other people's free will. Who
                           the fuck are you to dare to? Right?
                           You, if you were doing according to GOD,
                           wouldn't interfere in his plan. You'd stand
                           there quietly watching the rapist finish
                           mutilating the child, and only AFTER you'd
                           think of administering punishment to him.
                           Unless, of course, he repents and asks for
                           forgiveness or buys an indulgence or happens to
                           already be a priest... Then it's all good, rape
                           was great entertainment, everyone finishes
                           their popcorn and goes home and the rapist goes
                           to heaven.
                           Your GOD stands aside and watches thousands of
                           children being raped. So should you. Strive to
                           be god-like.
                           Your actual MORALITY will make you want to stop
                           the rapist right that moment and call
                           authorities and or beat him up for what he is
                           doing. Your god's morality is "let's create a
                           universe where child rape will be a thing (AT
                           ALL! WHY is it even a thing that exists in the
                           universe? Was there absolutely NO other way to
                           do whatever the fucked up shit god wanted to do
                           with this idea in ANY other way? What is god,
                           stupid? With poor imagination? Limited in
                           options for building universes? What kind of a
                           shitty architect is he? NOT omnipotent - that's
                           for damn sure!), most cases will go unreported,
                           no one gives a shit about the free will of the
                           victim. It'd be fun to watch."
                           Your god makes me puke.
                           Tl;dr: If god is all powerful, he could NOT
                           crate evil and suffering.
                           If god had no choice and he HAD to create evil
                           and suffering, if god has no way to CHANGE
                           anything in the universe, then god is not all
                           If god COULD create a different universe with
                           no mindless pain and suffering, but didn't, CAN
                           change things, but doesn't, then god is evil.
                           Pick your poison.
   12. Absolutely says:
       December 14, 2015 at 14:07
       Especially when he Punishes the innocent people like us.
          + Josephine says:
            December 16, 2015 at 05:42
            Gid does not see us as innocent as we all sin. look briefly at
            the 10 commandments, if you can honestly say that you've never
            broken any of them, look at 1 corinthians 6:9. Once you've
            realized that you (like all of us) have broken at least one
            look at romans 6:23 and see what God has spared us.
               o in shade says:
                 August 26, 2016 at 15:39
                 God creates the universe, all humans, all circumstances
                 surrounding humans, their ways of functioning and
                 thinking, the `evil' around them, all the cognitive
                 `traps' to make sure his message is as absurd as it can
                 be and delivered in the least reliable format possible,
                 then makes everything humans are made to enjoy doing or
                 will need to be doing in history a sin, then somehow by
                 the amazing grace condemns the majority of humanity to
                 hell and `spares' a select few? You honestly find that a
                 comforting idea? You, obviously, think you're one of the
                 select few if you're a believer. Then I've god news for
                 you: you're a narcissist of meta proportions. You think a
                 potential creator of the universe gives a flying fuck
                 about what you say and do and whom you shag and what you
                 wear and eat and when, and somehow by carrying specific
                 delusions in your head you'd earn a warm place by its
                 side where you won't be tortured like the rest of idiots
                 who ever lived and will live? You're sure one special
                 False humility like "Oh I'm just a humble servant of god"
                 is even more fucked up.
                 Newsflash: an omnipotent god wouldn't need your or anyone
                 else's servitude. He's fucking omnipotent. He can do
                 whatever he wants whenever he wants, and doesn't need an
                 ape on a space dust particle to help him. Get over
                    # Josephine Evans says:
                      August 26, 2016 at 18:53
                      No actually, God doesn't create sin. In fact, he
                      can't even be around it. That's the whole reason
                      that we are down here and he is up in heaven.
                      Literally one of the first chapters of the bible
                      discusses this. Keep up. TBH, I am a pretty special
                      snowflake. The Bible even says it. But it also says
                      that everyone is special in God's eyes equally. Yes,
                      God is omnipotent and doesn't need us. he wants us
                      (another major part of the bible, please TRY to keep
                      up) he created us essentially because he wanted us.
                      Backtracking a bit: I guess I am a part of a special
                      few (not really few because there are TONS of
                      Christians), a special few in a relationship with
                      God and yeah, it's pretty great knowing that God
                      gives a Flying Fuck about me, but he (ONCE AGAIN)
                      gives one about everyone. Even you IN Shade, you
                      just have to reach out to him and find him out
                      there, in your life. You are special too, you just
                      have to accept it.
                         @ in shade says:
                           August 26, 2016 at 22:04
                           No actually.
                           DID god create the universe as it is, and
                           everything in it as he wanted it to be?
                           According to you, yes he did. Then, unless you
                           have an issue understanding the concept of
                           someone who CREATES EVERYTHING THERE IS, god
                           also created the sin, the conditions for sin to
                           even exist, and condemns everyone to engage in
                           sin by setting the universe in a way it's set
                           Or are you arguing there was a separate creator
                           for the sin? Who then? Satan? God created
                           Satan. God KNEW (god is omniscient, remember?)
                           Lucifer will `fall' and start his shenanigans.
                           God had a CHOICE to TWEAK the universe/its
                           rules before creating it in ANY way he wanted.
                           He CHOSE this specific arrangement and made it
                           be. He CREATED EVIL, SIN AND SUFFERING BECAUSE
                           he created THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE AND EVERYTHING
                           in it. EVERYTHING. Know the definition of
                           everything? It means EVERY THING, and it does
                           NOT mean "everything, except for... (those
                           things I don't like because it makes me
                           uncomfortable to think my favorite invisible
                           friend was an asshole who did that too)".
                           Everything means everything that exists. Sin
                           exists? God created it. Satan exists? God
                           crated it, or created the processes that led to
                           it existing. He green-lighted the project
                           "universe" in full knowledge of how it will
                           run. He's omniscient, remember? Your GOD
                           CREATED ALL EVIL AND ALL SIN.
                           Oh by the way: is god omnipresent? Because then
                           he's by definition EVERYWHERE. Watching and
                           participating in every blowjob, every murder,
                           every child being raped, he's inside the shit
                           in your asshole, so he's definitely right there
                           where the sin is.
                           Unless, of course, he's NOT omnipresent...
                           So think hard and answer me this: IS god
                           omniscient? IS he omnipotent? And IS he
                           omnipresent? If he is, you have no way to
                           wiggle your way out of the trap those qualities
                           put god into by their very implication.
                           Unless you want to claim god is limited in
                           either his knowledge, power, or presence.
                           God who fits your definition of a god
                           (omni-whatever god) can't WANT anything either.
                           Please refer to why your god, if it exists and
                           fits your definition of an omni-everything god,
                           wouldn't give a flying fuck about anyone or
                           anything in a post devoted to that topic here:
                           The only thing a creator of this universe, if
                           such were to be discovered, if it crated the
                           universe as it is with either intent on it
                           being that way or knowledge of it ending up
                           this way, would ever get from me would be a
                           spit in the face and a string of profanities.
                           That's all such an asshole deserves.
   13. Bill says:
       June 28, 2016 at 22:57
       Had I come across this while still a Christian, I'd likely have
       either answered "no" to 3 or arrived at a slight modification to
       conclusion A: "God exists, and has a moral code that modern society
       would consider abhorrent." Some other comments here have already
       mentioned that there are certain things the Christian God can't do,
       and the Book of Job alone (which, incidentally, was what led me to
       deconvert) illustrates a lot of the incompatibilities between
       divine and human morality, so to speak.
       I once had a pastor who countered the latter line of thought with
       something like "yes, but He's good by definition, and we have no
       choice but to follow His thinking or be tortured for eternity" -
       sort of like what one would have to do to survive in a totalitarian
       regime. Submission to a despicable power is strongly against my own
       moral code no matter the alternative, so I didn't buy this, but do
       you have a counterargument that doesn't assume a low valuing of
          + in shade says:
            August 26, 2016 at 14:58
            Well, we're bouncing off the objective reality. Objectively,
            there is exactly no meaning whatsoever to human existence or
            nonexistence and the universe really doesn't `care' in any
            Subjectively, it is actually quite amazing how death of
            billions of stars created the building blocks of our planet
            and our bodies, and if you consider every staggering step it
            took to arrive at you through billions of years, you are sort
            of a unique collection of self-reflecting, self-aware stardust
            that would never have been the same had any single tiny step
            in the chain of events differed. So in that sense you're
            important as a unique creature who experiences higher
            awareness than a plant, for instance. However, the universe
            still doesn't care.
            For our planet exclusively, it is arguably a better scenario
            in which humans don't exist or at least not in such numbers.
            Either way you look at it, the only driving forces for self
            preservations are the instincts embedded in us by the need of
            our genetic information to replicate and carry on. As well as,
            subjectively, by any meaning we choose to impose on our
            existence ourselves...
            Not sure this really answer your question. I guess the answer
            is to me that self-preservation inherently carries no value at
            all and there's no objective way around it. Subjective ways -
            sure. That's why humanity is still around
   14. Anonymous says:
       August 24, 2016 at 21:10
       Yes. I know some people here don't believe in God. But God sent
       demons to possess me and oppress me. They had done so many cruel
       things God has done to me along with his Devils. One day I saw
       Jesus in cloud form laughing at me. Then years later I read how he
       saved a little girl from dying and kissed her on the cheek and
       probably said he loves her. I did so much for Jesus because I loved
       him more than the world had to offer. When I was upset one day, I
       felt Jesus presence look at me in an extremely cruel way. Like I
       was a joke. Like my suffering was funny. But he is not cruel to a
       lot of females, but chooses (well at least his father does) who
       will be predestined to hell before their even in their mothers womb
       (it is in the bible and God told me). I was one of the Christians
       that tried to be nice and make God happy and love him the best way
       I could. Even when I found out God has an elect. Human men are
       better than Jesus, and Jesus is a cruel bastard. I hate "God." And
       God the father is the worst father ever. He plays favorites and
       punishes the innocent.
          + in shade says:
            August 26, 2016 at 14:50
            It's indeed shitty parenting when you literally create your
            kids the exact way of your choosing, create every single
            circumstance of their existence, possess all the knowledge of
            their every future action and thought, then somehow get mad
            for them doing exactly as expected... Most lower order animals
            are much better parents than god!
               o Josephine Evans says:
                 August 26, 2016 at 19:16
                 Lord, your ignorance is astonishing! what's next, do you
                 support Donald Trump too? Anyways,You got it backwards,
                 because God gives us so much, he actually expects us to
                 do what's right. The bible says that he never gives us
                 anything we can't bear (that doesn't mean that it's not
                 hard), so he actually doesn't expect us to fail. quite
                 the opposite. What's your address, I'd like to send you
                 something called the King James Bible. With it you can
                 field all of your gaudy claims and throw out some of the
                 really bad ones beforehand.
               o in shade says:
                 August 26, 2016 at 23:10
                 Lord, you apologetics are fantastic :). You'll sit here
                 making claims based on A FUCKING PIECE OF SHIT FAN
                 supporting any of the stories of that fan fiction folk
                 tale collection (why should they), unless they circle
                 right back to the book itself, and you've got all the
                 God gives you a shitty, inhospitable universe, with 75%
                 of the surface of your small, vulnerable planet
                 uninhabitable entirely, with majority of organisms on
                 earth out to kill you or make you super sick (and
                 possibly kill you), where the rules of the pointless game
                 (it IS pointless if you insist on god's omniscience.
                 Maybe you will accept god is NOT all-knowing? Then we can
                 chat.) are rigged against the vast majority of the
                 population for shits and giggles alone, where there is
                 eternal payback for conduct limited in time (in itself
                 asinine idea), makes sure to leave ZERO TRACE of itself
                 and any claims people make about characters in his
                 favorite piece of ancient literature, riddles that piece
                 of literature with piece of shit advice and ignorance and
                 violence and tantrum fits just to make sure no REASONABLE
                 human being unless deeply self-deluded will ever buy into
                 that bullshit, and sits back laughing watching shit
                 unfold he KNEW ALREADY will unfold for... what?
                 Entertainment? He already knows the outcome of the game
                 for every character. Why play the game? Right.... god is
                 bored and wants reality TV, that's why.
                 If I put a 10 year old kid into the middle of an ocean on
                 a boat with a plastic bag, an oar, a compass and, shit,
                 I'd be generous: a fish hook, then watch him slowly die,
                 laughing and saying " well, yeah it's HARD, but you had
                 EVERYTHING YOU NEEDED to row ashore and catch food, you
                 stupid cunt! What do you MEAN the currents were stronger
                 than your malnourished muscles? What a fuck you complain
                 about - diarrhea? Fever and delirium caused by severe
                 dehydration and raw food and exposure to the elements?
                 TO SURVIVE AND YOU FUCKED IT UP, you little cunt!" - if I
                 did this in reality, you'd lock me into either a prison
                 or a psychiatric ward for the dangerously insane.
                 But the moment you substitute `god' into my position, it
                 miraculously becomes absolutely fine.
                 Why special pleading for the god? Again, because a book
                 said it's ok? Because it's an authority figure? Because
                 you DON'T ACTUALLY HAVE AN ANSWER that won't make you
                 sound like a fucking monster? That's just sad.
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 21:50
            Fuck God, he is an asshole.
   15. Just passing by because it was a bad day says:
       November 30, 2016 at 22:18
       Hi In Shade; first of all, thank you; it was a really bad day today
       and the implied rage of your post made me smile. I do think, at
       most as you do. Depending on the day I understand that God doesn't
       exists or if I really need to blame someone for something, I just
       start to believe in God that bit to throw some shit at him. I know
       it is not consistent at all holding that duality, but not
       everything needs to be rational; if it helps to keep me going, it's
       enough for me. However, I also think that if in the end such a
       thing exists, well, at last, the least it can do is to serve as my
       personal shitting dartboard.
       But I want to point you just a few things, for the sake of this
       dialogue, since I am happily surprised of the quality you are
       managing to keep.
       This is something lots of us (God haters at best) do usually do
       wrong when claiming about His missdoings. We usually point that if
       a believer accept that he is omnipotent and omniscient then he must
       accept it's evilness. But in that argumentation there is something
       we are not understanding so good either. Absolute "omnipotency"
       (I'm so sure probably that's not the way to spell that word, but
       also too lazy to search for the translation from spanish, so bear
       it). All your argumentation assumes that God is still limited by
       something: logical laws. If He is limited by such a thing, then
       your points would be true; but also your starting point in which He
       is omnipotent would be false (since he wouldn't be able to violate
       or surpass logic law, which would be antecessors of him). If not
       clear, though since you seem pretty smart I'm sure you'll have
       already catched my point; think of the meditation in which
       Descartes considers the idea of a "Demiurgo" (again too lazy to
       seek for a translation, but I guess it would be spelled something
       alike) which were able to make sentences such as "A = A" seem to
       our understanding as tautology, ultimate truth, although they could
       be absolute false, as if it was able to play with our brains/minds
       to make us always use wrong the logic laws. Maybe "(((a > b) ^ a) >
       b)" is the most flagrant fallacy but that Demiurgo changes
       constantly our thinking and the world itself to fool us. Or maybe
       "(a ^NOTa)" a tautology...
       This is just to show how when talking about such thing, not even
       logic is a good tool. Because with something of the caliber of a
       truly omnipotent being; it doesn't even need to fool us. It can
       create a deterministic world in which It knows everything that is
       going to happen and still add free wil to the equation (and I'm by
       far not thinking about multiple realities with all of our choices
       on them and a God knowing them all). I'm thinking on a single
       reality with all of our choices already set up since the beggining,
       and still being all of us "freewilled" beings; because the
       principle of no-contradiction doesn't apply for a think such as
       God. Is not just that in it's presence, not only something self
       contradoctory as such can be truth if It wishes so, but that even
       it just need to decide by it's power that it is not contradictory
       and that law would be stronger than the logic ones, so those ones
       would be the ones wrong for that case; making by the same strike
       logic inconsistent too.
       I think this is what it pulsates as a hiden argument in Josephine's
       words about God knowing everything and still being "free" even if
       she doesn't understand pretty much what I'm saying (the only thing
       I would be harsh to you In Shade is that I think you are going to
       hard on a too young girl; she is wrong; but she has been (on the
       beggining) more polite than you; but also I'm not attacking you
       either, because of that... people must learn before bringing
       themselves to narrow corners, age is not an excuse at all). Also I
       don't think if Josephine would still want to keep this as a hidden
       premise of her... because it is a very and unavoidable slipery
       slope ( I reat your other post just because I liked how you wrote,
       so i'll use your terms).
       But what gets worse from here is that... for example; It can be
       both the ultimate evil of the universe and the summun of good at a
       same time if It whises to. Well, in fact, It can just do bad things
       the whole time and still have not a drop of evilness in him, but
       only good, just, caring and loving thing; just because of the power
       of it's Colosal Dick.
       Christ! (Did I just say Christ?) It can even exist and not exist at
       the same time. Or better, not exist while existing...
       In the end; to our sadness, if we the atheist/god haters want to go
       with logic to the end of it's consecuences in the subject of God,
       we must accept it's limitations, and even if we don't like some
       conclusions, do not reject them because of their "taste" to avoid
       being us the ones who use falacy... We cannot, in the end, make one
       believer acept that the only logical conclusion is to acept that
       God is "bad" (or does not exist) but we, at least can corner them
       to one point: If it is a good thing, then it is beyond human logic,
       and in that case (which is one 4th option you did not mentioned)
       human is, essentially unable (and will be until God wants to) to
       distinguish between good and evil. So, they can defend that their
       God is a good thing, but do not pretend to defend it on any human
       logic, but in God itself (and Its big dick/vagina/both/alien
       Although if God says it can alse be defended on Human logic despite
       it being self contradictory... oh man, then we are screwed... Let's
       hope It doesn't xD (if so, FIND IN THE BIBLE!).
       Well... here I retreat to my cave; again, thank you In Shade;
       probably I'll come here back to check if you answered me
       PS: I know there are no good excuses to use languaje wrong. Here is
       my weak excuse: It is not my native languaje, I hope that despite
       the many grammar, semantical and ortography mistakes I sure have
       comitted, I could have written this clearly enough to be
       understandable and not make your eyes bleed... I promiss I have
       made my best efforts.
          + Passing by again says:
            December 1, 2016 at 01:07
            PS2: Just one funny parabole... Does God knows what God is
            going to do?
   16. Kristi Carter says:
       January 9, 2017 at 03:08
       This is the best article I've ever read and argues the exact same
       points I have tried to make to the Jesus freaks in my family. I
       grew up going to church but quit going when I was a teenager and
       thought logically. I just didn't believe in God; however, since my
       65 year old mother (who went to church, taught Sunday school and
       worshipped that piece of shit her entire life) recently developed
       Alzheimer's disease, I did begin to believe that if he does exist,
       he deserves to burn in his own hell. How could people worship such
       a hypocritical, judgmental, vain, murdering jackass??? Thanks for
       the article!
   17. Alex says:
       April 30, 2017 at 03:41
       Praying for you now... one day you will remember this comment and
       realize that you are truly wrong before it's to late.. God loves
       you but you choose not to love him. You're whole theory that we do
       not have freewill iz extremely wrong. You have the choice to do
       whatever you'd like because of his unmeasureable love.. again I
       hope you I hardened your heart before it's to late..god loves you
       so much he allows you to make your own choices, for the "traps" you
       talk of are not traps but true.. please state one verse that is not
          + Anonymous says:
            December 26, 2017 at 17:55
            I hope you die soon.
          + Jeff Peng says:
            May 8, 2019 at 01:10
            Man, you sure are one dumb bastard to genuinely believe that a
            deity as cruel as "God" could ever have immeasurable love for
            humanity and that praying to a false god is ever gonna change
            shit. So fuck off with your retarded bible crap before you
            spout more meaningless bullshit, you sadistic psycho bitch.
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 21:55
            It is wrong, God without question exists it is just that he is
            an asshole that should burn in hell.
               o God The Filthy Scumbag says:
                 November 18, 2019 at 16:52
                 God is just a real filthy scumbag altogether, the way i
                 look at it.
   18. Kristi says:
       May 13, 2017 at 09:02
       Very well said. Agreed 100% and thank you for this article. I've
       been trying to explain this to brainwashed wackos and now have a
       great way to say it.
   19. Anonymous says:
       August 19, 2017 at 11:48
       Perfect! You get it. God is a PEDO piece of shit, all time failure
   20. Anonymous says:
       January 9, 2018 at 12:24
       God is a filthy cock sucking pig faggot that should burn in hell
       with Satan since that filthy low life piece of shit keeps punishing
       many of us innocent people for NO REASON at all.
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 21:56
            Indeed. Fuck God.
   21. Anonymous says:
       January 18, 2018 at 00:29
       God you fucking no good piece of shit faggot, burn in hell where
       you fucking belong. Hail Satan.
   22. Anonymous says:
       January 29, 2018 at 11:54
       God is a very evil scumbag piece of shit the way i look at it since
       he keeps punishing many of us good innocent people for no reason at
       all. And that low life diseased infested faggot never punishes the
       very bad people out there that should really burn in hell with that
       fucking faggot God which would be real justice.
   23. DM says:
       May 29, 2018 at 11:35
       Karma and reincarnation solve the problem of evil. Those who seem
       to be paying a price they don't deserve are paying their own karma
       from past lives. Einstein said that energy can't be destroyed, and
       it can't. Your consciousness is energy. It does not come from your
       brain, your brain merely helps it manifest on the physical plane.
       So that explains reincarnation. While it's true we have been given
       free will, our free will becomes more and more restricted due to
       our own karma. We can't just "do what we want" until we have a
       clean slate. Until our debts are paid. All this being said, the
       path to God and salvation is extremely difficult to find. That I
       cannot explain. Perhaps it is our collective karma.
   24. Donna says:
       July 26, 2018 at 06:31
       I have been raised to believe in god. I. Goodness, forgiveness and
       love. God is an evil demon that believes in suffering and evil.
       There is no hope... only that the current god suffers in all
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 21:56
            God needs to start burning in hell now.
   25. Anonymous says:
       February 2, 2019 at 12:35
       God is a filthy cock sucking scumbag piece of shit for punishing
       the innocent all the time for no reason at all.
   26. brad stevens says:
       March 26, 2019 at 04:55
       Jesus is a filthy fucking scumbag too. Hail Satan.
   27. Atheist Single Man says:
       April 5, 2019 at 11:35
       God is a real filthy scumbag piece of shit for punishing a good
       single man like me that really wanted a good wife and family that
       the filthy cocksucker gave to so many billions of other people.
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 21:58
            God is an asshole for many reasons. Fuck you God, burn in
            hell, be good, be fair or strike me down 10 minutes from now.
   28. Jeff Peng says:
       April 6, 2019 at 01:12
       This is one of the best articles I've ever read lambasting the
       so-called higher powers that so many people foolishly worship and I
       agree with so many of your points on a personal level. I've been an
       Atheist for years now but if there was any doubt before, there
       certainly isn't any now.
   29. Gilbicks says:
       April 29, 2019 at 16:29
       If Satan is the father of lies God is the mother of them!!!
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 21:58
            Satan is more just and generally just better than God.
   30. Gilbicks says:
       April 29, 2019 at 18:02
       God would sin for Israel, GOD WOULD DAMN HIS HOLY SPIRIT FOR
       ISRAEL!! God would lie for Israel and God would Kill for Israel and
       most of all, GOD WOULD DIE FOR ISRAEL!!!!!!! In your Bible it says
       that God will bless those that bless Israel President Trump, curse
       those that curse Israel, president Carter. God butt fucked old
       Jimmy Carter because Carter persuaded Israel to give the Sini back
       to Egypt. As a result, Carter lost the election to Ronald Reagan!
       As for President Trump who SUPPORTS Israel God literally performs
       oral sex on him!!! For Trumps support of Israel God has given him
       all power. For example, Trump can turn rocks into solid Gold and
       can disappear and reappear somewhere else if he wanted to!!!
   31. The Honest R' says:
       May 16, 2019 at 00:06
       God and Jesus both deserve to burn the fuck in hell where they
       belong. Hail Satan.
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 21:59
            Indeed, hail Satan.. he is better than God is every way.
               o Anonymous says:
                 January 25, 2020 at 15:08
                 You said it.
               o Anonymous says:
                 June 6, 2020 at 19:23
                 Satan is the real God, and not this fucking retarded
                 piece of shit God that we have nowadays.
   32. Satan Knows says:
       May 16, 2019 at 00:16
       God and Jesus are both filthy no good diseased infested cock
       sucking faggots that swallow each others cum after they both fuck
       each other up the ass real hard.
   33. JM says:
       May 28, 2019 at 23:32
       God the filthy scum sucking pig should roast the fuck in hell
   34. Anonymous says:
       June 6, 2019 at 00:29
       God is a filthy diseased infested pig.
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 22:00
            God is worse than that.
   35. Anonymous says:
       July 2, 2019 at 17:52
       Burn in hell God, you filthy scumbag.
   36. Anonymous says:
       July 7, 2019 at 23:20
       Burn in hell God, you filthy fucking cocksucker.
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 22:00
            He cannot start soon enough.
   37. Anonymous says:
       September 2, 2019 at 11:11
       God and Jesus both love to suck each others cock and swallow like
       the filthy low life pigs that they really are. Hail Satan, the real
   38. Anonymous says:
       September 25, 2019 at 00:17
       God and Jesus both had to suck on each others cock and swallow when
       they had to punish a very good single man like me, even though i
       really never wanted to be single in the first place. Go figure.
          + Paul says:
            November 12, 2019 at 22:01
            Not sure that happens but without question God is an asshole.
   39. Anonymous says:
       September 25, 2019 at 08:27
       Appear now god thru the sky
   40. Anonymous says:
       November 18, 2019 at 16:48
       God is a real fucking disease.
   41. Anonymous says:
       November 20, 2019 at 11:24
       God is the lowest form of scum to begin with.
   42. Anonymous says:
       November 23, 2019 at 18:23
       God and Jesus both were sucking on Satan's cock and swallowed his
       hot cum as well. Those disgusting diseased infested piece of shit
   43. Anonymous says:
       December 15, 2019 at 14:57
       Hail Satan, all the way. The real God.
   44. Anonymous says:
       January 25, 2020 at 15:09
       God is a fucking disease.
   45. Anonymous says:
       March 20, 2020 at 14:59
       God and Jesus both get the filthy cocksucking award.
   46. Anonymous says:
       April 16, 2020 at 23:32
       God is a fucking freak, and a real God would have gotten rid of
       this very horrible Covid-19 Virus by now. But where is he?
   47. Anonymous says:
       June 3, 2020 at 17:58
       God is a filthy scumbag piece of shit altogether, and really
       deserves to burn the fuck in hell where that filthy cocksucker
   48. Anonymous That Is Telling The Truth says:
       September 11, 2020 at 12:44
       God is a no good filthy cocksucker that punishes many of us good
       innocent people for no reason at all. That scumbag God never gave a
       good single man like me a good wife and family to share my life
       with, and i never did anything wrong to get punished this way
       either since what i wanted would've been very normal to have.
   49. Anonymous says:
       October 24, 2020 at 19:27
       If the writings in the bible are to be believed, then I put it to
       you that God is a fucking liar and a hypocrite. God clearly states
       that thou should not kill, yet God can kill anyone and everyone
       whenever and wherever God chooses. God is a known murderer! God is
       a liar, since God did say that God will not let us suffer yet the
       very opposite is true. Death was supposed to have been conquered on
       the cross, yet millions still die. Let's not forget the number of
       people killed by the church for not accepting christianity. Thou
       shall not commit adultery! Yeah, and God introduced sperm into Mary
       to get a son. Did God not commit adultery? Just like the sons of
       God who screwed human women to produce the nephilims. It is easier
       to believe that there is no God, and if there is a God, then I
       would like to face him and punch him right in the face and then
       stone God to death for his sins. All of you who says the devil is
       doing evil forget the conversation that the devil has with Job. The
       devil needs to get God's permission before the devil is allowed to
       fuck us over. If God is the final authority in giving permission,
       then God is the one responsible for allowing sin and evil to
       happen. God could stop all this of God wanted to! God can be beaten
       if the bible is to be believed. Did Jacob not wrestle with God and
       won? God cheats to try to win but God still lost and God gave Jacob
       a prize for winning. Did God not say, "They have become like one of
       us, knowing good and evil". Wow! God knew evil first and allowed us
       to become just like one of them! Come on, people, Wake up!! God is
       supposed to be omniscient and God did not "know" that humans were
       going to sin. Based on sin, we are now supposedly unclean and
       unworthy. Let me be unclean and unworthy cause I really don't want
       a father who cannot pick me up even in my uncleanliness and instead
       wants me to perform a blood sacrifice just so that God can hold me.
       What kind of a fucking father is this? I believe that I am better
       than God, as I acknowledge my own human failings and strive to do
       better. I don't sit on some throne in lala land just waiting to
       chuck meat to be burnt so that my nostrils can smell the aroma of
       burnt flesh. That's exactly what God wants, just blood and meat.
       God even allowed "His Son" to be killed on the cross as it pleases
       God to inflict pain upon his own son. What the fuck? What the fuck?
       This is so sick. God does not care for anyone of us. God is a
       murder and a child killer. He even had his own child killed to
       appease his anger! Oh what the fuck have we been taught all this
   50. Anonymous says:
       October 25, 2020 at 12:51
       God is a filthy cum dumpster.

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